Exploring the crone

Today I’m delighted to publish a guest post by my wise and wonderful friend Dr Lynne Scholefield. Lynne is a recently retired lecturer in religious studies, with interests in travel, inter faith dialogue and facilitating small group work. We also teach the Enneagram together. She has some very thought-provoking ideas about the journey to the Crone and how we women define ourselves:

Who are you?

I’m a woman

Lynne Scholefield

There’s a very interesting exercise where someone asks you the same question over and over again, ‘Who are you?’ I’ve done this exercise many times and my first answer has always been the same, ‘I’m a woman’.  But what does that mean?  What does it mean to be a woman?

What does it mean to be a woman?

For a while now it has meant being equal to a man.  There is nothing wrong with equality – although I am not so sure that even in Europe and America there is anything like the kind of equality I, and perhaps a lot of other people, think there should be – but that is not the topic of this piece.  The efforts that have been made to extend women’s opportunities, legal rights and responsibilities, and choices are very important.  But, they mean that women are understood in comparison with men.

Dualism

Traditionally, there has been a dualist thinking where there are two columns – one good and one not so good, for example:

No prizes for guessing which has been seen as not so good!  Not only have women been seen as less than men, but they have always been understood in relation to men – fathers, husbands and sons.  Incidentally, this is one of the reasons why the Christian monastic tradition has been so important for women – it enabled them to have a good deal of self-determination.

Self-defining women

Now, I am interested in the possibility of thinking about what it means to be a woman without reference to men, and I think that the ideas relating to ‘Crone’ offer some interesting possibilities.  That is because crones are who they are in their own right and their creativity, their wisdom, their being, does not depend on a man.  Getting rid of the dualisms also opens up the possibilities of thinking more fluidly about gender and sexuality generally.  I am not suggesting, of course, that women should live lives in which men do not feature, although some women may choose to do this, but that we might try thinking and talking about what it means to be a woman with reference only to women.

One of the most important things in exploring this question is to make sure that we don’t fall into the trap of ‘essentialism’ – seeing all crones, or all women, as essentially the same.  Another trap is to consider only good, attractive, qualities and ignore the more challenging aspects.  I don’t have the answers as to what it is that women/crones are, but here is a quote from a source I really like – Mary Daly’s Websters’ First New Intergalactic Wickedary of the English Language.  (‘Webster’ is an old word for a woman weaver.)  This is what she says (p114) about crones:

Great Hag of History, long lasting one; Survivor of the perpetual witchcraze of patriarchy, whose status is determined not merely by chronological age but by Crone-logical considerations; one who has survived early stages of the Otherworld Journey and who therefore has Dis-covered depths of Courage, Strength and Wisdom in her Self

Playing with words

The ways in which she plays with words is really helpful for recognizing the male-centred nature of much of our language and reclaiming new possibilities – new ways of ‘spelling’.  I like the idea of women as weavers of our own lives – and here are a few other words and phrases for women/crones that I have been thinking about:

  • Story teller and meaning maker.
  • Disgraceful – in Daly’s terms it would be ‘dis-graceful’ – rejecting conventional ideas of what is proper for a woman – compare the phrase ‘uppity woman’.
  • Subjects who gaze – not objects of other people’s gaze.  That is why women artists and writers are so important in developing thinking about crones.  I also think this is one of the reasons why women who wear the niqab – covering everything except their eyes – are seen as so threatening.

Over to you

Those are some of my suggestions. What words and phrases for women/crones would you use?

Lynne Scholefield

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11 Responses to Exploring the crone
  1. WOL
    September 2, 2011 | 10:40 pm

    As I read your post, I remembered a teeshirt I had in my salad days. What was true then is equally as true in my “dessert” days. It said, “A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle.”

    It is ironic that crones have historically gotten a very bum rap. Humans are the only animal species where females consistently outlive their capability to reproduce(except maybe elephants?). Think about it. “Menopause” must have conferred a very important evolutionary advantage since it was consistently selected for to the point that it is considered a normal stage of life for human females. Menopause means that there is a point where a woman’s intrinsic value as a person becomes more important to the survival of the species than her capacity to make babies. It’s the point where she switches from bringing new babies into the world to making sure the babies that are already here survive childhood and become adults. The young mothers who are not having to constantly make sure their toddlers don’t become human McNuggets for the nearest predator can concentrate more on the business at hand — gathering food. While their mothers are out “working” the kids stay with granny, who socializes them, teaches them language and basic motor skills. Grannies have lived long enough to become a repository of the accumulated knowledge and experience of the previous generations. And, what I think is most important, Granny has lived long enough to have time. While the young women are busy out foraging, Granny has the time (and the experience) to help deliver babies and tend to the newborns while their mothers recover from giving birth. Granny has time to raise the children of the women who die or are killed. Granny has the time (and the fund of knowledge)to tend the injured, treat the sick. It is our ability to form an “extended family” of several generations that enabled us to become human. Paleontologists call it “the grandmother revolution.”
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    • Tess Giles Marshall
      September 3, 2011 | 1:51 pm

      Thanks for this comment. What you say about a woman’s intrinsic value after menopause is very interesting. I know a lot of women who say they enjoy being a grandmother far more than being a mother (perhaps because you can give them back ;-) ), and others whose only regret about not having children is not being a grandmother. Perhaps we can be adoptive grandmothers.

  2. Tess Giles Marshall
    September 3, 2011 | 1:53 pm

    Lynne, just wanted to say on the strength of this I bought myself a copy of Daly’s Wikedary (for the princely sum of £2) and am enjoying dipping into it immensely.

  3. wordinthehand
    September 3, 2011 | 10:48 pm

    I am more than happy being described as a witch except I hear it as wych from the Celtic understanding of ‘one who knows/understands’. And since becoming a grandmother have begun to feel that I deserve it (or maybe I don’t as I realise how little I do understand and maybe that’s the point).

    In the school where I work many families are led by a grandmother with the mother actually continuing to act a daughter because of a growing trend in, what some people call ‘baby adults’ – people who have bought into the ‘stay young no matter what’ media hype. What will happen when they become the grandmother is a worrying thought.

    Richard Rhor – I knows he’s a man and strong on male spirituality but he is a Franciscan – in his new book ‘Falling Upwards’ says that we only have the right to claim the ‘elder’ status in the second part of life if we have made a decent job of the first part of life – mistakes; experiences; trials and errors as well as the ‘good’ things that happen.

    Dualism is a worrying concept – the idea of being either/or when really we are meant to be both/and. Being a ‘crone’ surely depends on being comfortable in our skin without be judged as masculine or feminine? I agree the monastic tradition has allowed women, even in more limiting times, to live freer and more expressive lives – i know sisters from a variety of traditions and profess a certain envy – I have never met a religious who was unhappy with her life. Actually, there’s a good word – sister.
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    • Tess Giles Marshall
      September 4, 2011 | 11:47 am

      Thank you Word, and yes I was reading just the other day about this continuing infantilisation of adults. It is indeed worrying.
      I’m a big fan of Richard Rohr and this latest book is on my rather long to-read list. Jean Shinoda Bolen says (rather tongue in cheek) that exceptional men can be crones, and he is one in my book.
      The monastic tradition is close to my heart. I’ve known monastics who are unhappy and have left, but many more find it is the right life for them – constantly challenging and sometimes difficult – but right.

  4. Karen
    September 4, 2011 | 8:47 pm

    Richard Rohr as a crone — Tess – I have been seeing him that way too – especially after reading the last few weeks of his daily meditation.

    I have no idea what it is to be a woman. I thought I knew but now I’m not sure at all. It’s not as a frilly little woman whatever that means.
    And now as a middle age woman I have been looking for a word to describe my way of being woman. I don’t know! crone is good but unknown where I live. hermit crone?
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    • Tess Giles Marshall
      September 4, 2011 | 8:55 pm

      Hi Karen, good to hear from you. For a minute there I misread your last phrase as “hermit crab”! Well I guess being crabby could definitely happen if frilly little women were mandatory.

  5. Karen
    September 4, 2011 | 10:03 pm

    ha Tess — I wrote it to suggest that very being!
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  6. diane nova
    September 5, 2011 | 3:11 am

    Thanks for your article and suggesting new words to guide us
    I enjoy using the word senior-ita!
    playful and with a nod to our mujere friends

  7. Tess Giles Marshall
    September 5, 2011 | 5:50 pm

    Hi diane, and thank you for your comment. I love senior-ita! Definitely playful and witty.

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